Differents domains mean different job markets. If you're not sure, go enroll in a local college undecided. Why U.S. Students Don���t Major in Science Cass R. Sunstein. Field engineering is fun. July 17, 2013, 6:00 PM EDT ... technology, engineering and math) can be at a comparative advantage. But that is like looking at your spending as an indicator of your earnings. Fuck. So, hopefully that helps someone out there. Read this! The difference between chemistry and chemical engineering is basically the production. Yes, internships are important. I’m not telling every engineer they should drop out of their degree program. Don't Major in Engineering!! Students At Most Colleges Don���t Pick ���Useless��� Majors | ��� I also give some advice on how to select an engineering major because it kinda does matter. A lot of these people are trying to jump on the gold rush , only to find out the gold is very rare and the only people making money here are the people selling the shovels. July 17, ... technology, engineering and math) ... and those who don���t start in science are unlikely to switch to it. Welcome to the club, the rest of college grads who were told a lie and ended up fucked. At UMass Amherst, Sturdevant Rees points out another reason women don't study engineering: Women just don't see that many women engineers. But this is still not the reason why most women don���t go into tech. Thoughts on the video, and engineering in general: Marketability: He's right that different fields of engineering tend to command different salaries, and be more broadly marketable. But by the time I graduated a new boom was underway (which would eventually culminate with the dotcom bust). If you don’t like creating things, or lack an active imagination, than a chemical engineering major probably isn’t for you. Engineering isn't as lucrative as it once was because we are moving towards a more computerized society. My son is a second year, undergraduate mechanical engineering student. Lots of people have in fact which is why the number of ChemE BS graduates has doubled in the past 10 years and the class of 2015 had 9,000 - see page 37 https://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/15EngineeringbytheNumbersPart1.pdf. Anybody who tells a 18 year old what the best major is today for whatever job market will exist four years from now is full of it. Double Majors at MIT: Some Students Don't Settle for a Single ��� Internships: He's right that you almost have to have internships to get a job. You are more interested in things that don’t concern engineering. Well I���m here to tell you, DON���T GIVE UP just yet. If you���re interested in an engineering degree other than computer engineering, select any engineering major (or engineering undeclared), as your first-choice major on your application. 5 min reading time. If you are good at science and math but aren't sure what you want to do with your life, engineering is a safe starting major. Anybody who tells a 18 year old what the best major is today for whatever job market will exist four years from now is full of it. That's a major constant economic drain. I'm doing OK now, but I'm a few years behind where I hoped to be in my career and savings because I failed to keep a better GPA. Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering : ��� My boyfriend was a Polisci major and he's working in a field directly related to it, but it took him years to land his job. Show me actual data. The amount of added steps that zoom and covid has added to doing anything from assignments to hw has now really starting to take a toll on me now. Regardless of what it says on your degree - General, ECE, MechE, Bio/MatSci, it’s ok if you take a different path. We all have one class where it seems like the professor is out to get us, or where we just don't understand the material. If this is true, I���d recommend looking at something else. Since nearly every class in engineering is graded on a curve, your GPA depends on how well you do relative to your classmates. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. Med schools generally don't compensate for major. These cookies are necessary for the website to function and cannot be switched off in our systems. Welp, don't know why 1 month in and already so fucking burned out. Employers want to see both GPA and work experience. Kids, just major in whatever you want. Even gobs of money can’t make up for a job you hate (though it helps). The crazy thing is when new grads are looking for work and it starts to sound like the only way to land a job is to go back to school and get one of those internships. More importantly, many of those job postings let you send your application directly to a recruiter, bypassing the automated systems that usually just send your resume into a black hole. Perhaps this is the ultimate determining factor that you do not really fit in engineering. Oil Crashed and people are trying to move to new forms of fuel. ChemE looks good in this regard with currently the highest starting salaries out there for engineering graduates. Edit: Kidding aside, I'm glad you are doing well. For many people, such as me, engineering can be a fulfilling and enjoyable major, allowing you to hone your skills and learn from experts in a variety of technological studies. At UT Austin, you would get several thousand a year just for the NMF status. You want to help the economy and make a difference. Take Challenging Math and Science Classes How do you choose an engineering discipline? You will not be Tank from The Matrix if you major in computer engineering. But What If I Don���t Want to Be An Engineer? Your 3.5 at Generic State might be a 2.5 at MIT, and most engineering employers care a lot more about your GPA than your alma mater. There are a number of threads seeking advice on engineering, so its time to post a warning about engineering for those who ��� You don’t necessarily have to hold a Bachelor of Science in engineering to be employed by an engineering company and take part in many of the career benefits engineers enjoy. Electrical and mechanical seem to be the most widely applicable, and command decent salaries. BSME graduate here, currently working in consulting. Mechanical Engineers are getting the raw end of the stick. Selecting a college major can be a difficult decision but it's not one you have to make on your own. After having to experience three or more years of studying engineering and holding several internships, even having relative success in both, it doesn’t seem like you have actually learned anything to become an engineer. Now is probably a great time to go to art school. He gives garbage advice on just about everything. Individual testimonies like this do not mean much. Find out the truth about how the major you select can change acceptance rates. I hate the bootstraps thing cause it's not fair to people that always try to make the right career moves, but sometimes it's less about doing what you think you should, and more about trying to do what you can, and overestimating that. Picking a school: Might be too late for most people on this board, but if you're thinking about doing engineering, I'd recommend going to a state school vs. a prestigious private school for most people. Our commute is a walk across the house. Hardware is getting cheaper and software is getting more expensive. So the engineering ciricle jerk is coming to an end almost as fast as it started. Fuck. Start now! Actually it's good that you don't know. If you've recently started the college application process and are looking at particular schools, you might have noticed that some schools want you to know your major before you apply. Thanks for the A2A. Finally, a bit of advice from my personal experience. You can’t be an engineer when all along what bursts your bubble are in culture and the arts. Classes required for a program in petroleum engineering can include properties of petroleum fluids, energy and the environment, reservoir geomechanics, calculus, geology, chemistry, physics, and petrophysics. In addition to that, you also have to have a solid GPA, since many companies have an arbitrary cutoff of 3.0. Biomedical engineering (BME) is a multidisciplinary field that combines engineering and biology. Nope. The environment needs to change, for sure. I watched the first couple of minutes of the video and it's the same stuff we've heaed elsewhere or read here post after post, comment after comment. I'm a girl and a proud mechanical engineer. Show me actual data. Yes, employers hire based on ranking in your class and not based on a myriad other factors like if they were frat buddies or something. marleys_ghost 37 replies 3 threads Junior Member. I'm hoping to do more research, either at the graduate level or as a career. For those who did everything our parents told us to do... now what? Med and Biz are rather unlike engineering, aptitude and interest-wise. Architectural, biomedical, civil, and aerospace are more niche degrees, but without the PE or ChemE salary premium. Those people will have extremely different views on the current job market. DEC, the darling of the previous 15 years was well on its way to going under. For the transcript, see https://medgroup.biz/morse This episode is sponsored by Rob Packard and the team at MedicalDeviceAcademy.com. The difference between chemistry and chemical engineering is basically the production. I have a BS and MS in engineering, plus many years of experience as a structural engineer. "Please don't be my major please don't be my major" - me waiting for the page to load. What sucks is that I can't afford to burn out, it's my final year and 18 credits, dropping a course will delay my graduation :(. If you don���t like creating things, or lack an active imagination, than a chemical engineering major probably isn���t for you. Oil happened to be one of the better paying jobs for Chemical engineers. At Rice, a third of the kids there were NM scholars, so nobody gave a shit. There are some people who can endure a job they don’t like, or juggle between a mundane job and the things they love in their spare time, but I’m not one of them. "Please don't be my major please don't be my major" - me waiting for the page to load. If you're curious, here are mean and median starting salaries at my alma mater (http://www.engr.utexas.edu/ecac/salaries). 5. This concept of will we graduated 100 of major x but there's only .7(x) jobs open OMG!!!!!! Now there's a glut of engineers, go figure. All engineering isn't computers, some of it was the stuff that predated computers. Don’t squander your short four years of college staring at some code that won’t compile. Individual industries go through their own cycles as well. IBM was laying off thousands. I think you've just gotta go with the flow and work where you can, and constantly search for opportunities to make money. If this is true, I’d recommend looking at something else. Even in the best of job markets, there will always be some people who struggle for reasons linked to their individual circumstances. DON'T!....Jk. Here are 13 jobs in engineering that don’t require a degree: Programmers. If you’re certain that you want to pursue a career in engineering, you don’t have to wait until college to start preparing. Deemed by Forbes to be one of the “ Highest Paying, Low-Stress STEM Job You Probably Haven’t Considered ,” biomedical engineers apply engineering principles to biology and medicine, usually for health care purposes. DON'T Major In Engineering. Here's why: They're less competitive. Technology is a stepping stone for newer technology. I posted in r/engineeringstudents asking how many applications they had to send out to get an internships. I did electrical engineering, couldn't find work, so I finished my apprenticeship as an electrician. I've known people who pulled it off, and they were razor sharp students. You want to help the economy and make a difference. A common question asked by aspiring recording engineers and music producer is, ���Do I need an audio engineering degree to get a job in the music industry?��� The short answer is, no, you don���t. Yes, engineering is still a lucrative, in demand major. I don't want to discourage you but being BAD in one area could potentially mess you up in the long run. Graduating in Engineering? You don’t have to become a PM and work on technical products. While some educational backgrounds prepare students for a single profession, a degree in this specialization can lead to careers that are as diverse as the many students who choose to enroll in these programs. Not everyone can get an internship, just doesn't work out that way. Very roughly, I'd say that petroleum and chemical tend to command the highest salaries, but jobs aren't as widely available. That's why tens of thousands of kids enrolled. Press J to jump to the feed. Caitlin says, Many who are excited about going into medical device or other life science companies go after a biomedical engineering degree. This hurts the people who ultimately design hardware, Electrical Engineers and potentially Computer Engineers. Your GPA and SAT don���t tell the full admissions story Our chancing engine factors in extracurricular activities, demographics, and other holistic details. I didn’t do that great as a math major (applied math & statistics), but I finished with a 3.08 GPA (got mostly B’s…university professors graded rather hard as the avg. I don’t regret being an engineer, but I knew that I would regret it if I stayed as one. When I left Germany, I knew deep in my heart that it was time for a major change. You don���t necessarily have to hold a Bachelor of Science in engineering to be employed by an engineering company and take part in many of the career benefits engineers enjoy. Our windows overlook beautiful woods. Caitlin Morse, PMP says you can minor in biomedical Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/top-paid-class-of-2017-engineering-bachelors-masters-grads/, https://www.asee.org/papers-and-publications/publications/college-profiles/15EngineeringbytheNumbersPart1.pdf, https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/chemical-engineers.htm. The way my school works is that there is a core math curriculum that every engineering student must take no matter the major. I think the answer to this question is much more complicated than "no, math is prerequisite for engineering, therefore if you don't like math, don't be an engineer". My husband and I run our firm out of our home office. Far less office politics and it is nice to have a positive direct impact on the customer. Edit: Kidding aside, I'm glad you are doing well. If I want to go for a run at 11 am, I don't have to ask permission. I had three semesters of quality internship and co-op experience upon graduating, but my GPA was subpar, and I happened to graduate right after the 2008 stock market crash. Not only that but again all hardware is pretty much getting cheaper. There's one well known video however that completely degrades engineering, so in this video I debunk it and all the reasons that he says engineering is a bad choice. Don’t choose your major based solely on a romanticized image. At the same time, the number of people working in the field has been, and is projected to be, essentially stable. Besides that you sound like someone far too sure they're on the right side of the dunning effect. Engineering. We all know how student loans can fuck you over, but something a lot of prospective students don't think about is the availability of scholarships. Go to any non-chain coffee shop in Austin, and about half the people there will be unemployed or underemployed aspiring web developers. Though I have never felt completely lost, I would like to give you my point of view because my current work is not exactly the traditional path a mechanical engineer would follow. Well, Some Types of Engineering - ��� Smaller universities usually have some kind of career center, too, but they don't usually have the same level of activity. Majoring in math, nuclear engineering, or even geology can lead to a well-paying software job. You might be thinking, it���s logical isn���t it? Try to have one on your résumé. Why U.S. Students Don’t Major in Science Cass R. Sunstein. Don���t confuse Computer Science with Software Engineering ��� CODE Keep in mind that a) this is only among those who received a job offer, and b) in Texas, many of the jobs are related to the energy industry, which tends to pay outsized salaries and inflate the statistics somewhat. Caitlin Morse, PMP says you can minor in biomedical engineering, but – for your sake – don’t major in it. There are plenty of excellent jobs in non-STEM fields. If everyone was in STEM fields, society would rapidly collapse. If you keep failing at what you do, maybe it isn���t really meant to be for you, plain and simple! Your GPA and SAT don’t tell the full admissions story ... both Princeton and Columbia have a liberal arts college and a school of engineering and applied science. Understand that math is a process and you just have to get good at learning the process. We���ll let you know what your chances are at your dream schools ��� and how to improve your chances! Even with all that said, though, the engineers from my graduating class have done better overall than the liberal arts majors I've known. In this engineering major, students learn all about the extraction and production of oil and natural gas. If you feel like you are too smart for engineering to say that asking questions is unnecessary, that���s an ego problem. A2A I suspect you are considering it for the money, as that is the most common reason to consider those fields. That can make their choice of undergraduate major matter less, since they will have a chance to earn a more professionally useful degree in graduate school. Machines are being built around computers, no longer do they need so many dumb parts moving around. This guy probably followed your advice. Don't just talk about “moon shots,” do the real thing — and aim even further (think: Mars). You Don’t Have to Major in Computer Science to Do It as a Career. Honestly, whatever isn't being hyped up in the media today will probably be the best degree to hold four years. So, in reality, there really isn't an engineering major "with the least math" at my school. IIRC, when I was in undergrad, you would get a free ride at U of Houston if you were a National Merit finalist. Or at some schools, even if you don't have to know your major, you have to apply to a specific undergraduate college such as Engineering, Nursing, or Arts and Sciences. Do your research before committing to a major. Engineering Jobs are disappearing in that technology is moving. Getting in touch with my alma mater I found out that as of graduation more than 40% of the ChemE class were still looking for jobs. The oil jobs dried up. I see you're taking a sampling of different disciplines. The world is not currently under attack from killer robots, and you don’t have a crazy ship or a crack team of gun-toting martial artists. Video I debunk:\"Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering\"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILDox...Jake's video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-3WFXzk04Another good one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubg8BtkPU3A-----------------------------------Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wissam.seif/Email: firstname.lastname@example.org 1. September 2006 edited May 2009 in College Search & Selection. The economy is cyclical. Environmental engineering major careers and jobs. Some people sent out 100+ applications, some only a handful. What can you do with a major in environmental engineering? ChemE is marketed as a very flexible engineering degree, there just isn't demand for that many engineers. It's a Good Major If You Don't Know What You Want to Do . Why in the world did I ever decide to major in engineering — am I a masochist or do I just hate myself? OK, biz, I have no idea. Lots of people look at the starting salaries for graduates to indicate where demand is. If you do, you won’t likely start as an engineer. I think the answer to this question is much more complicated than "no, math is prerequisite for engineering, therefore if you don't like math, don't be an engineer". Now, theres not much work for electricians, so I'm doing house renos, side work, and small business stuff until things pick up. Engineering was a great major four years ago. Feel free to PM me if you're trying to dig yourself out of a career rut, and I'll help you if I can. Chemical Engineer, he was doomed due to external factors before he even graduate. I'm not so sure about this enthusiasm for web development as a career, though. You are like a real student who just loves a particular subject without bothering about the marks and all. | Olin College Maybe not quite literally ��� if you are a philosophy major you may actually know what the term ���existential crisis��� entails and may strongly disagree with that statement ��� but you know what I���m talking about. https://www.naceweb.org/job-market/compensation/top-paid-class-of-2017-engineering-bachelors-masters-grads/ A high school senior is going to see this slick salary presentation and it will say ChemE is a great choice. Here are 13 jobs in engineering that don���t require a degree: Programmers. Keep reading for steps you can take in high school to prepare for a successful engineering career — and for acceptance to a top college with a strong engineering program. I don’t think I know an engineer who hasn’t said something to that effect at some point in time (and trust me, I know a lot of them). You’ve learned how to think like an engineer, and how to … I would recommend against these unless you have a particularly strong interest in those fields. Yeah i hate him and he also tries to race bait. My son is a second year, undergraduate mechanical engineering student. It is a good sign for a budding engineer to be able to learn by asking and not just figuring it out on your own. Since launching the nation’s first aeronautical course in 1914, we have helped win the race to the moon, shaped the aviation industry, and advanced national security technologies. Take our assessment to help determine what you should major in. Saying racism doesn't exist yada,. Not only was the base price higher, but you didn't get as much of a discount. BLS has this data https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/chemical-engineers.htm Projecting an average of 60 new jobs a year over the next decade. You can't graduate with a 2.0 GPA and zero internships and expect a job. For me, I'm decent at Math but I'm not a genius, being that I am a Pre-engineering Major. Everybody told me that the good times were over. Getting dead set on landing a job that is applicable to your education may leave you financially disappointed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the lostgeneration community. Like every other parents, my parents also convinced me to opt for CSE during the counselling. You are more interested in things that don���t concern engineering. Production is what matters and the media wants to keep people in the dark about that so they can keep exporting jobs with less protest. Don't Major in Engineering - Well Some Types of Engineering - ��� What You Need to Know About Becoming an Engineering Major | ��� My boyfriend was a Polisci major and he's working in a field directly related to it, but it took him years to land his job. The economy is dead in the US. A2A I suspect you are considering it for the money, as that is the most common reason to consider those fields. On the flip side, I had friends who had really good GPAs who had no internship experience, and they struggled to find work as well. You can't beat out 30% of the people you graduated with? 02 Don't major in biomedical engineering (Caitlin Morse) by The ��� It's bafflingly to me. Now there's a glut of engineers, go figure. There seems to be little career guidance for engineering students, specifically how to choose a discipline. GPA for freshman across all majors for instance is 2.7 but I was not an extremely studious student either) from an OK state school well-known for engineering. Scary stuff. I've been there before, and I know it isn't much fun. 02 Don't major in biomedical engineering (Caitlin Morse) Caitlin Morse, PMP advises aspiring medical device engineers: Don't major in biomedical engineering. When I decided to go into Comp Sci it was a very bad time for the industry. In general, they're better-connected. It's easier to switch from a rigorous college major to an easier one, plus many of the courses required for engineering are transferable to other disciplines. en.wikipedia.org 3. 4 And even when they don’t … Depending on where you are located the premiums are pretty good too. Large state universities usually have big career centers and career fairs, with lots of employers posting jobs. This is apparently not too unusual and may represent an improvement over previous years. State schools are generally less competitive, so it's easier to stand out among the crowd. Even gobs of money can���t make up for a job you hate (though it helps). No, not all engineering degrees are worth the same. Most people in this business really don���t care whether you have a degree, or a diploma, or a certificate, or whatever���and they certainly don���t care where (or if) you went to school. People are distracted, intentionally, by the media which points to CONSUMPTION as some evidence of economic activity. DON'T Major in Engineering | Well Some Types of Engineering | ��� You���ll automatically be considered for Direct to College admission to the College of Engineering. Then there is further math within the course work of the specific major. As a result, I spent the next few years as an underpaid 1099 worker, supplementing my income with various side gigs (SAT tutoring, yardwork for a wealthy retired attorney). Yup. But this is still not the reason why most women don’t go into tech. Individual testimonies like this do not mean much. An engineering degree is an investment that can take your career in many directions. NACE is the main source for salary data. Our graduates are prepared to work in environmental management for industry, regulatory positions in government and industry, and engineering consulting, as well as research and teaching in higher education. That's baffling to me. If there���s anything that I���ve learned during my two-and-almost-a-half years in the Hopkins bubble, it���s that Hopkins is quite literally the place of existential crisis. Engineering was a great major four years ago. Source: Giphy Engineering Life Struggles Before you finally call it quits and give up, ��� We create REAL things - we don't just shuffle paperwork. en.wikipedia.org 3. I would even say it's fantastic. I'm hoping to do more research, either at the graduate level or as a career. This guy and his channel are complete bullshit. They're cheaper. That's why tens of thousands of kids enrolled. You don’t have to write code if you don’t want to.